CLEVELAND, Ohio — In this episode of the Wine and Gold Talk podcast, host Ethan Sands and columnist Jimmy Watkins dive into the exciting world of NBA jerseys. They discuss leaked jersey designs for the upcoming season, the nostalgia of classic jerseys, and the impact of player culture on jersey popularity.
Takeaways:
Cavs to Receive Classic Jersey for 2025-2026 Season: The Cleveland Cavaliers will receive a classic jersey for the 2025-2026 season featuring the alternate navy blues from the first LeBron James era (2003-2010).
Mixed Reactions to Leaked City Edition Jersey: A leaked design for the Cavaliers’ next City Edition jersey features a “creamsicle” or sunset orange color scheme that has received criticism.
Top Cavaliers Jerseys of All Time According to the Hosts: Jimmy Watkins chose the Mark Price era orange and blue jerseys, while Ethan Sands listed his top three as the white, orange, and blues from 1994-1997, the Road Wine and Gold from 2003-2010, and the alternate Navy Blues from 2003-2010.
All-Time NBA Jersey Rankings Feature Classics and Throwbacks: The hosts shared their top five NBA jerseys of all time, emphasizing how iconic players can elevate jerseys, but truly great designs stand on their own merits.
Jersey Design Philosophy: Tradition vs. Innovation: Jimmy Watkins advocated for jersey designs that honor tradition while making thoughtful updates, criticizing the trend of teams constantly reinventing their looks.
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Ethan Sands: What up, Cavs Nation? I’m your host, Ethan Sands, and I’m back with another episode of the Wine and Gold Talk podcast. And joining me today, the best columnist in the land, in my opinion, Jimmy Watkins, cleveland.com’s best. And he’s coming to us after a loaded Browns week. Jimmy, thank you for making the time to join us. And I wanted to go into something fun today. It’s jersey time in the land where we have a couple of different leaked jerseys that are going to be coming or allegedly coming in 2025, 2026. And let’s start with one of the more exciting ones, right? The opportunity for five NBA teams to receive a classic jersey for the 2025, 2026 season. And the Cleveland Cavaliers are included in this list, along with the Dallas Mavericks, the Memphis Grizzlies, the Minnesota Timberwolves in the Philadelphia 76ers. These jerseys overall look crazy. But Jimmy, when this being a throwback kind of jersey, and I know a lot of Cav fans have been waiting, hoping, wanting this jersey to come back the LeBron James era, the alternate navy blues from 2003 to 2010, those are going to be the classic jerseys. What do you think about these jerseys on this new era team?
Jimmy Watkins: I like the idea of bringing back jerseys that fans like. And it’s interesting because, like, I always wonder, do fans like these old jerseys because the jerseys are cool, or do they like them because it was a prosperous time for the franchise? I think sometimes we can get the two confounded, but I think generally I’m much more in favor of bringing back what worked before than trying to make something new work. I just feel like jerseys, we all want to evolve all the time, right? Generally as people, as a society, but with sports logos and uniforms, uniform colors in particular, these are things and maybe I’m 29 going on 50 with this take. I think these are things that should be steeped in tradition, that should remind of good times, like the 07ish Cavs. That should at the very least fit something of an idea that has been with the franchise before. I just feel like every year and we’ll get into this, this is going to bleed into my jersey rankings. I just feel like every year we try to reinvent the wheel with new jerseys or new logos or what. I actually think the Cavs are an outlier here because they did an awesome job with their City edition court jersey combo this year. But in most cases we’re grasping at irrelevant straws when we try to invent a new jersey every Single year. And I get in some regard. We couldn’t have these cool throwbacks from 07 if the Cav didn’t try them in the first place. Like, uniforms have evolved over time. Fashion has evolved over time, but there’s a healthy medium here where you can try new things while sticking to old principles. And I guess that’s my way of prepping people. That’s my rubric for good jersey stuff. Some of it’s just, is it cool? Does it catch your eye? But I’m mostly can we color within the lines Type of uniform guy.
Ethan Sands: So, Jimmy, this isn’t the only jersey combination that got leaked either. And you mentioned the City Edition jerseys from this last year, which I think were one of the Cavs best all time. I think you cannot go wrong with that glacier blue color way, that UNC blue, if you want to go that way either. But now they’re kind of going the opposite direction. Instead of cool, they’re going a little bit odder. This next City Edition jersey that got leaked right by Proline mock ups on X, formerly Twitter has them wearing a failed creamsicle style jersey. I think that’s the best way I can put it. It’s more like a sunset sunshine orange. I’m disappointed. Let me put it this way. I’m disappointed in these jerseys, and I can see how it would get used in the context of the full court and all these things. But the reality of the situation is one, it could just blend into the court depending on how the Cavs end up utilizing it. And to be very fair, the Cleveland Cavaliers organization has been great with connecting the art of the city, the art of the museums, to their City Edition jerseys and utilizing that on the court and all those different things. So I don’t think they’ll fail in that regard. But these jerseys as a whole, you have to look at them probably three, four times, then try and see if anybody has put out graphics of them on players. Maybe they’re not even edited the correct way and be like, hey, it’s growing on me. Jersey shouldn’t grow on you. It’s supposed to, like stick with you and be the exact idea of what you wanted. And for these, I think the Cavs fell short. I’m looking at all these other jerseys that are coming out for the league next year for their city editions because pro line mockups actually dropped the entire 30 teams. I think there’s a couple of misses in here. I think there’s a couple of good ones as well. Jimmy, what do you think about this Creamsicle version or sunset type version of a Cavs uniform.
Jimmy Watkins: They look like frat boy shorts on a jersey. This is salmon pink on a jersey. This is why they make different color jerseys, because they can sell money grab to some extent and these would go crazy on frat row and at your local university, on your local college campus. But they look bad to me. There’s no tie in. Cavs have never been a creamsicle type franchise. It feels like an overextension of the imagination. I don’t support the Vineyard Vines sponsored jerseys here.
Ethan Sands: I think that’s a great indication of what you were going into earlier, Jimmy. The fact that, like the old school classic jersey that we talked about that is being brought back back is like, that’s what the classic version is. And that’s what the Cavs should be known for. The colorways, the winding gold, all those different things that you get to look into. And then now you’re kind of getting a recolor of the 2022, 2023 City Edition jersey, which you don’t really want to mix and match. And as you said, and you’re right, it’s a money grab more than anything. But is it really a money grab if people are all across the Internet or not raving about these jerseys? Like, I sent you a thread of the jerseys for the next season when it comes to all of these City Edition jerseys, and I’m looking at it, and there’s only a few that I really like, can rock with. Sure. The Minnesota Timberwolves purple, I like that one. The Detroit one, I think the colorways on the side is really good. And then I think when they go with these black colorways and then they have the colors on the fringes, I think that goes well. And you can use that in multiple different ways for an arena. But it’s just so hard to see the Cavs pulling this off and making it into something that people are going to grab onto. Especially with all the criticism that these original jerseys have gotten.
Jimmy Watkins: 20, 22, 23 was three years ago. Do we really need to be remixing those already? No, no, we don’t need to do that. We don’t need to do that.
Ethan Sands: I think that’s a good point. So I want to get into this next question for you, which is what is the best Cavs jersey of all time to you, based on what you’ve been around, what you’ve seen, and it’ll get into a little game that I have set up for us later.
Jimmy Watkins: To me, it’s the mark Price era orange and blue Cavs jerseys. I love the. I love the way those colors mesh. I love the old school Cavs logo. I think part of the reason that the City edition jerseys from 2024, 25 work so well is, is it sort of built off of that old vibe with a new. With a new spin on it. Right. Like, I don’t like that we reimagine courts with jerseys, but if you’re going to do it, you might as well do it well. And the Cavs, again, reach back into the past. Say, here’s a thing that we. We did well before. They made the blue a dominant color for these jerseys, and then they picked a visually appealing blue and blew it out in the entire arena. And it. And it worked perfectly. It’s a great spin in on an old idea. I’m not dismissing new ideas just off rip, Right. I’m not dismissing new ideas off rip. I just think that it’s an easy blink test to know when something is redone.
Ethan Sands: Right.
Jimmy Watkins: And that’s a. That’s a big time. Yes for me. But I love the aesthetics on the Mark Price, Craig E. Low era jerseys. Those are my personal favorites.
Ethan Sands: For me, I don’t know what it is, Jimmy. I think I’m a little bit of a fan of the white orange and Blues from 1994 to 1997, the Road Wine and Gold from 2003 to 2010. I think those are like my top two. And then obviously we talked about it, the ones that they’re bringing back as classic jerseys, the alternate Navy Blues from 2003 to 2010, those are going to be the classic jerseys for this coming season, allegedly. That’s like a very close three for me. So I think those would have to be my top three of all time for Cavs uniforms. And then the worst of all time, I feel like, is when they won the championship in them sleeve black jerseys with LeBron in 2016. But, Jimmy, it’s time to get into the all times of all time jerseys. We’ve had conversations about the Cavs, and I think we have to be real. There are different styles that are classic. There are different styles that have imagery. You think of all of these different jerseys that are all timers. I got a top five list. I want to hear your top five. And we can go back and forth because I got mine listed off from top to bottom. Do you have yours in order or are you rocking with have them scattered?
Jimmy Watkins: I think I have an order. Yeah.
Ethan Sands: All right. So my number one for jerseys all time, the Orlando Magic road black with the white pinstripes. I think that is so clean, so cold. Maybe I’m a little bit biased growing up on pinstripes, but I like that look. What’s your number one?
Jimmy Watkins: The best ever. It’s the Lakers gold. It’s classic. It’s the defining jersey of the NBA, Lakers and Celtics. Those are my top two, by the way. Those are the defining jerseys of the NBA. It’s something that you can point to. You could see one of those from a hundred yards away and know exactly what it. To me, that’s the goal here, that’s the goal here is to have something that can closely associate with your brand, that is identifiable, that is easy on the eyes. You don’t have to overthink these things. Again, we, we run into this issue of is it classic because it’s classic or these are just the two best teams. I think context matters with, with the jerseys though. These jerseys have fit on big stages. These jerseys, they go well against seeing the, the matchup against each other. It works in that way. I just think that those and, and the fact that they have both endured as long as they have, I think that speaks. I mean, obviously both teams have done some updating on those jerseys with the updating the way that they deploy those colors, the, the design of the, of the fit of the jersey. But those two teams have done well to stick to their, to their guns and, and let tradition carry on. By the way, we, we need to stop. Over the weekend, I saw Red Sox Yankees provision on television. Red Sox Yankees series, which is. That’s basically Lakers Celtic of baseball. And they were wearing. I thought this was a minor league baseball game. I couldn’t tell which team was which. The Red Sox were wearing green jerseys and I think yellow jerseys at one. It’s like when we get iconic matchups, can we get the iconic look to it? Because the point of this stuff is that it travels over time. The greatest, to me, the greatest looks travel across span different generations. We have to let them do that, particularly when, when they are matched up against their proper rival. Adam Silver, Rob Manfred, Roger Goodell. Let’s stick to that.
Ethan Sands: Basically like you’re saying these jerseys stood the test of time. That’s the most important thing for you at least when it comes to these jerseys. And I think that’s fair. So Jimmy gave us his number two as well, which is the Celtics green. I’m going to go my number two as the Philadelphia 76ers 2000s dazzle jersey. The Allen Iverson version Of that jersey. You think of the iconic jerseys of players wearing those and I mean for the culture. Allen Iverson is that dude. You obviously have the accessories that come along with it, but that jersey stands alone by itself. That number three jersey will be one of the most famous jerseys for the entirety of the NBA just because of his impact. And that makes it as valuable as powerful for me when you think about what he was able to accomplish, but what that jersey just means to the NBA as well. So I think that has to be my number two of all time.
Jimmy Watkins: I just want with Allen Iverson. Those are good jerseys, but like, I feel like we could have put a reasonably ugly jersey on Allen Iverson and he would have made it cool. That guy just had so much aura. Swag. Whatever. Whatever you want to say to him. He carried so much cultural weight that the Sixers would have had to trot out something pretty hideous for Allen Iverson to not make it work. But obviously, yeah, Allen Iverson both as a basketball and a fashion icon in the culture, that totally works for me. We’re going to three now. I like the Raptors dinosaur. And this kind of goes against. This was an expansion team that they named in a naming, a public naming contest when the Raptors came into the league into the 90s. But you look at where they started. I like a team that. With a good mesh of mascot on their jersey and that, that jersey, the purple and red work together so well. And you look at some of the Raptors jerseys now we’ve come too far. We started so strong and now it’s. I just feel like the brand, their brand has been milk toasted. I mean like the most identifiable Raptors jersey in 2025 are probably, probably like the OVO Drakes. I like the Kawhi era white with a red stripe across it. Again, is that because it’s a good jersey or is it because they won the title? I don’t know. The Raptors jerseys from. From the Vince Carter days. Those pop. No matter where you see them. I would love to see more of those.
Ethan Sands: Ironically enough, Jimmy, I also have the Raptors original Dino as my number three overall selection of all time. It just makes sense, right? And we’re talking about again like famous fissures. Like you just picture Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady guys that have stature that made the jersey what it was. Sure as Jimmy made a great point. It’s the person in the jersey, but the jersey can stand by itself as well. And I think that’s the most important thing when it comes to this conversation. It’s a lot of fun to go through all of these different images and looking at who was wearing these jerseys, who was there, who was most important. But, like, as Jimmy was mentioning. And now we’re going to. Celebrities have an impact on the jerseys, even though they don’t have ownership of the team. You can be a Drake fan. Why is Drake even. Why would he have anything to do with the Toronto Raptors? And that’s the other thing. Spike Lee has never tried to do anything with the New York Knicks other than show up to the games and be there and piss off the players that they’re playing against. Sure, it can be annoying, but, like, he’s not trying to put his stamp on the city of New York other than just by putting his stamp on the city of New York. It feels at this point for forced and like the culture is supposed to be what the city is, not the people that are in it. And that kind of goes hand in hand with what I’m saying. The jersey is the jersey, but the person in the jersey can elevate it, if that’s what we’re thinking. Okay, now on to number four. Jimmy, on to number four.
Jimmy Watkins: I have the Seattle Supersonics, Just their entire catalog. What the Seattle Supersonics could have done as we sort of ushered in the era of different jersey color combos, they basically could have been the Organ Ducks of the NBA, right? They have these two bright green, bright yellow highlighter. They could. They can go so many different directions with the mixes of those colors and the kind of courts that, I mean, the classic looks with. With, you know, Gary Payton and Sean Kemperman, or even later stages like the random Rashard Lewis Sonics that were fantastic in the. In the mid 2000s, the early KD looks, they all look great. We need the Sonics back in the NBA for a lot of different reasons. But I. I do think, like, what the Oregon Ducks have done with college football, where they have infinite different color combinations with their jerseys, and that’s become a part of their recruiting selling point. And people are Oregon Ducks fans because they just like the way stuff looks. And it’s cool. You just brand yourself as cool by mixing the colors the right way. I think the Sonics had and still have. That could be that. That should be. If I’m part of, like, Seattle Sonic’s expansion ground team. That’s part of my plan to reassert my brand into the. The. The basketball ether is. Let me show you what I can do with these really cool color combinations that should clash, it looks like, but they. They don’t. I just think they work. I think they work.
Ethan Sands: Let me step into what you’re talking about in the expansion team by stepping away from the Jersey conversation first. I feel, and I think we could take this a little bit a step further. I think every NBA team should have a WNBA team. I think there should be more expansion when it comes to the WNBA and the support from the NBA to the wnba. This goes hand in hand with the conversation we’re having with the NBA Finals. Small market teams having other teams. OKC, obviously, the former being Seattle SuperSonics, them having a WNBA team in the Seattle Storm. You see players there at games. The Indiana Pacers, Caitlin Clark Before Game 4, I believe it was. The Indiana Pacers were 8, 0 when she showed up to games, right? Tyree Tyler Burton makes a concerted effort to go watch Kaitlyn Clark and the Indiana Fever and all those things. And I’m not necessarily saying it has to be in the same city, but like, if they’re within an hour of each other, I feel like that would make the most sense. Washington Wizards and the Washington Mystics, like, these teams can feed off of each other. And if you want more people to show up to these games, you want more people, more traction, more selling points, have. The support groups are right there, right? Like basketball players. Although there have been conversations throughout the NBA and with players that. There are some players that don’t love the game the same as they used to, but you have the Kevin Durant, you have the Tyree Tyler Burns, you have these guys that are willing and able and so deeply in love with the game of basketball that they will show up to any game possible. Donovan Mitchell shows up to high school games all the time, right? He’s a guy that loves the game. He’s a guy that wants to give back to the game. But I think when we talk about expansion, when we talk about these jerseys, when we talk about these teams, the expectation is that, oh, the WNBA doesn’t have a whole lot of support, so they’re not going to get the same revenue, the same profit, all these other things. Sure, that can be true. But if we talk about expansion, we talk about the Cleveland Cavaliers, the city of Cleveland, trying to gain a WNBA team, the Cleveland Rockers, right, Trying to get those girls back over here. I think that’s a good thing for the city. You got the Guardians, you got the Browns, you got, you got the Rockers, and you got the Cleveland Cavaliers. I think that’s a good city feeling vibe And I think when you talk about just wanting, especially in this climate, bringing up and raising up every situation around you, I think the WNBA is one of those atmospheres that has what it takes to be another entity. Obviously, as some of these players have mentioned, it’s in its infancy still. Obviously we talk about sports in general. The National Softball League just started, so it’s in its infancy still. But if you have these teams around it, you have this organization, this league that is capable of supporting, that’s the easiest way to help one another. Right? Because these, these women are also becoming stars. Anyway, I digress from my, my rant, my tangent. Jimmy, do you have anything you want to add before we get back into jerseys?
Jimmy Watkins: I’m distracted and annoyed by my neighbor who has decided to vacuum during the podcast. But no, I think your point about the WNBA is well said. And by the way, I would say that the NBA players are amongst the biggest supporters, certainly the biggest supporters of the biggest platforms. The wnba. They do a great job. All QB mentioned. I would throw Chris Paul on thought list. Obviously Kobe, before he passed, was a, was a big advocate for the wnba. I think they’re doing their part in helping spread that game back to jerseys.
Ethan Sands: So for my number four spot, I had the Vancouver Grizzlies. We talked about a jersey that has seen and stood the test of time. This is a jersey that’s been around for a good minute now. You have guys like John Morant wearing it and elevating it to a different level in a different standard. Right. I just think there’s so many different ways to wear this jersey. There’s so many different styles and you, you go to anywhere and you see this jersey pop up. It’s because it’s so iconic. And the Vancouver Grizzly is where you see the different lettering, the different piping, the different styles, styling. Sure, maybe I’m getting away a little bit from Jimmy’s classic jerseys that have been the symbol of a city, the symbol of a team, But I think this jersey itself has meant a lot to that organization. And it’s been one of the coolest jerseys. And it’s not necessarily your UNC blue, it’s not necessarily your glacier blue, but it’s, it’s a good color, a little cyan that. That gets you going in in a different kind of way. But we’ve made it to our number five picks of all time for jerseys. Jimmy, let me know what it is.
Jimmy Watkins: I have the Cavs old school jerseys here at number five. The Cavs orange blues from back in the day. Because again, I think seeing the City Edition jerseys this year, like, kind of that aesthetic, how good it looked out there on the players and on the court. Like, I wasn’t around for the old school looks, but I just, like, seriously, on City Edition night, I’d be going back and combing through and looking at the old school. Man, these just. These just work. And that kind of. I think that circles us back to the point I made at the top, which is like, we don’t need to try to reinvent the wheel here with these new City Edition jerseys or alternate uniform. We have a different. Every team has a different alternate uniform. It seems like every year. I don’t mind, like, the idea of, like, different city nickname. I don’t hate the land. I don’t mind Cleveland using the land as a tool and it’s in its branding. Or the Suns did a really good job with the Valley. They use that for their in season tournament court. They use that for some of their alternate jerseys. Think it’s in here for their. I was combing through that tweet you sent me about the leaks for next year’s City Edition. I think it’s in there for their City Edition. I don’t mind that stuff, but I think the best new look jerseys pay homage to some of the. The older ones. Like, again, connecting a through line between your old brand and your new one and maybe putting a new spin on it, like a little extra again. I think the Cavs did a great job tapped, like, the intro video with the new City editions this year where, like, the players were art at the art museum as part of their partnership with the art museum. And then they come like that intro that was so good. It all connected. You could see the vision for all of it. Whereas, like, with these pink guys, where did that come from? Where’s the Duland? What’s. What sort of like city centric story are we telling there as we learn more about these jerseys? I’m open to that being a part of it. I’m open to learning new things. But right now it doesn’t jump out to me. And I don’t think you’re like, it’s like a Halloween costume. My rule for a Halloween costume is, like, if I have to explain it to you for longer than 10 seconds, I didn’t do my job putting together a Halloween costume. And I think jerseys are particularly like a City Edition jersey, which is like, you know, supposed to be hand in hand with a piece of the city or again, the art museum. Something of the City. It shouldn’t have to be explained to me. I should kind of just get it, particularly as a resident.
Ethan Sands: And Jimmy, I think that’s. That’s very fair. Especially the Halloween bit. I hate having to explain anything because usually I’m not putting a whole lot of effort into my costumes.
Jimmy Watkins: Because you’re lame. Sorry, wait a minute. Because you’re lame. Halloween. Halloween is like many things in life, you get out of it what you put into it. And so if you are not putting anything into Halloween, you are getting nothing out of it, and you deserve nothing out of it.
Ethan Sands: Hey, I’m going to just say it’s much easier now because I like doing couples costumes. But I’m saying, like, when I was.
Jimmy Watkins: At you Brina does couples costumes, you. You agree to what she proposes.
Ethan Sands: I’m not going to disagree. But like back at. Oh, you back in college, like, I wasn’t buying all these different. Like, I was like picking your favorite movie character. I was a basketball player, a referee, all the basic cover costumes. But, like, I wouldn’t put in a whole lot of effort because I knew if I did and somebody asked me about, like a costume that I was wearing, that would only irritate me. Anyway, my number five pick for our all time jersey draft, I got the Jazz Purple Mountains as my number five selection. And as I’ve been looking at these two jerseys, obviously there’s the one that is all purple with the purple shorts and it has like white writing on it. But I also really like the white jersey version of this where they have the white shorts and it has the mountains going down the side in purple font on the shorts as well. I think it’s like a tie between those two for me. But ultimately, the Utah Jazz Purple Mountains jersey goes hard. I like how the old school version, I believe had like the lettering of Utah would change colors with the color of the mountain. It just looks like it goes so crazy. And then you got guys like Donovan Mitchell, John Stockton, Karl Malone wearing the jersey and it just hits a little harder. And I obviously keep going back to these star players wearing the jersey and elevating it to a different standard, but I think that’s what makes these jerseys stand out. As you can picture a player in them doing something spectacular and being like, oh, if he was wearing like a classic jersey, it might not have stood out the same. Although we have this conversation about Shaquille o’ Neal, Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant doing these amazing things in their classic Lakers and Celtics jerseys just makes sense. So I can see anybody having their Thoughts either way on the subject. Jimmy, how do you think we did?
Jimmy Watkins: I would throw an honorable mention to the Chicago Bulls reds of the 90s again. I had it on there initially, but I was just like, is MJ just the coolest guy of all time? Like, is that why, is that why this is here? They weren’t exactly hitting the same when Kirk Heinrich was wearing them.
Ethan Sands: Right.
Jimmy Watkins: But then we had Derrick Rose, Derrick Rose throws on and said, well, maybe, maybe these work. And to that point, I would say that the Utah Jazz 90s jerseys are a great call because I’m gonna, I’m gonna say this nicely. John Stockton and Carl Malone, remember all that stuff we said about Allen Iverson being a fashion icon, a cultural icon could have made any jersey work. Let’s just say I wouldn’t say those things about John Stockton and Carl Malone. And they still wore those Utah jerseys beautifully. That right there. And like, the Utah Jazz had some great runs. Obviously they were matched up with MJ in the finals. I think being on the same stage as him will elevate your franchise from, from top to bottom. You have more visibility on those jerseys as a result. But I just think that we really put like this theory to the test. Like, what if we just put these jerseys on a guy? Like, how cool would they look? John, Slots is kind of like a great, all time great basketball player, but kind of just a guy, kind of just an average sized dude walking around and they looked great. That is, that’s a good call on your end.
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